ILLEGAL immigration

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Ok, big deal. She didn't say 'racial profiling.' She struck down the measure which requires police to question someone they pull over as to their citizenship. No matter how you mince words, we all know it's code for profiling.

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That's a big word in there ..... requires

They still can ask now .....
They just aren't required to!

[duffyb]

Right! Someone finally admits to 'getting it!' (therefore, it is racial profiling).

[Bogeyfire]

...Duffy you don't think the police have been asking for US Citizen Proof for years already in AZ? My guess is they will continue to do it. The Sheriff even said it will be business as usual.

Its interesting to me that all of us are required to present identification. Why is it we are pretending this is something new?

The crux is, supporters of illegals want law enforcement to look the other way. Whether they are among the few big business or big farmers who want it, or Dems who want to bolster their numbers by adding more to their demographic, or Hispanics fighting for their national ex-patriots, or whatever the motivation, these "supporters" of illegals want law enforcement to look the other way.

If they wanted to solve the problem, they would advocate the same thing as all the conservatives on this board have stated. If you catch them, you arrest them and hand them over to I.C.E.. If you raid an employer, you hand them over to I.C.E.. The "either / or" argument is a diversion and a stalling tactic. Either you are serious about taking care of the problem, or you are part of the problem.

By suing the AZ Govt., the Feds are part of the problem.

Regarding the AZ Law Enforcement, they are more trained in sensitivity and correctness in the perils of racial profiling than any other government agency. Their conduct is more strictly regulated and defined than the Federal Law.

The officers know the problems, the people, and the peril of infractions of racial profiling. There are mandates that allow close scrutiny of law enforcement in this area as set forth by SB-1070. Every officer knows they are under a microscope and that law suits can be brought against them.

I seriously doubt that any law officer really wants to be punished and fired from their career for any racist feelings they may harbor. The charge that the intent of the law is racist, led by the President and all the yapping lemmings, is disgraceful and offensive to the people who literally serve and protect. Its even more slanderous than claiming that the "Cambridge Police Force acted stupidly" for the outrageous claims of a racist professor, a reported friend of Obama.

Villainizing the good guys makes the Administration and foes of protecting our border appear dishonest. They are going to pay for what they are allowing to happen to our country.

[duffyb]

Oh Bogey c'mon with the tea party rhetoric. No one is 'allowing' anything to happen to our country. Omaba has removed more illegals in his short time as President than any other. And no one wants to 'look the other way.' We just don't want laws which bend the Constitution regarding the Feds authority and implementing questionable procedures base on....racial profiling. And there are no 'supporters of illegals.' Where'd you get that talking point from, Hannity?

And geez, hear I always thought this was a GOP ploy to suppress voters. See, two sides to every story.

Most Police in AZ hate this law. It will tax their work force, create more violent crime and cost millions.

Arizona police chief criticizes immigration law http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T5G220100430

Police Chiefs Speak Out Against Arizona Immigration Law, SB1070 http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ent ... aw_sb1070/

Arizona Police Split on Immigration Crackdown http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 80,00.html

Police Chiefs Speak Out Against Arizona Immigration Law http://www.bvblackspin.com/2010/05/27/p ... ation-law/

[duffyb]

Right-Wingers Stand By Their Fabricated Mexican Drug Cartel Raid Story


According to anonymously-sourced reports pushed by right-wing blogs last weekend, members of Mexico's notorious Zetas drug gang crossed the border into Texas and, "in what could be deemed an act of war," seized two ranches near the border town of Laredo. The situation was dire, wingers warned, but a government enforced media blackout kept knowledge of the raid from the general public.

Really?

No, not really.

Here's the thing: the "raid" never happened.

The story originated with Jeff Schwilk, the founder of the anti-immigration San Diego Minutemen. In an interview with TPM, Schwilk said he has a friend who has a friend in the Laredo, Texas police department. According to Schwilk, the Laredo PD source contacted Schwilk's friend late on July 23, saying "some big stuff was going down."

"He was mad, he was upset" that the media was not covering the incident, Schwilk said. "They were waiting for the feds to come in."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... hp?ref=fpb

[Bogeyfire]

Right-Wingers Stand By Their Fabricated Mexican Drug Cartel Raid Story
Here's the thing: the "raid" never happened.

Funny. I never heard of this "story". Maybe it is only the Left-Wingers who are talking about it!

Whether there was some raid or not, the drug wars in Mexico are on pace to reach 12,000 for 2010. In 2009, there were 8,000 deaths. All this is because of drugs and human smuggling coming into the USA. 20,000 dead and you don't want to shut the border? How firmly do you wan to dig your heels in to ignore this tragedy? Sure. Punish employers. That will fix everything! Oh Duffy, you are so tough!

the Mexican attorney general put the death toll at 24,826 on earlier this month), with a death toll of nearly 8,000 in 2009 and over 6,000 so far in 2010. The increasing militarization of the drug war and the arrest of dozens of high-profile drug traffickers have failed to stem the flow of drugs -- or the violence -- whatsoever. The Merida initiative, which provides $1.4 billion over three years for the US to assist the Mexican government with training, equipment and intelligence, has so far failed to make a difference.

The LA Times has actually chronicled the Mexican Drug War pretty well with this interactive site:
http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

[duffyb]

Funny. I never heard of this "story". Maybe it is only the Left-Wingers who are talking about it!

Yeah, that must be it, the right never embellishes or makes things up to further their agenda, lol.

[duffyb]

Conservative media oblivious to major increase in border enforcement
July 29, 2010 1:58 pm ET — 13 Comments

Following Judge Susan Bolton's decision to block the controversial portions of the Arizona immigration law, conservative media have claimed that Arizona passed the law because the federal government is refusing to enforce immigration law and secure the border, but this rhetoric -- which directly echoes that of Republican politicians -- bears no relation to the facts. Data show federal enforcement efforts are up and illegal immigration is down.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007290030

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[quote="duffyb"]Oh Bogey c'mon with the tea party rhetoric. No one is 'allowing' anything to happen to our country. Omaba has removed more illegals in his short time as President than any other. And no one wants to 'look the other way.' We just don't want laws which bend the Constitution regarding the Feds authority and implementing questionable procedures base on....racial profiling. And there are no 'supporters of illegals.' Where'd you get that talking point from, Hannity?

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You still don't get it!
By the way the 170,000 illegals caught coming into Arizona
was the number caught between July 1st 2009 to June 30th 2010!

I know you don't give much credit to talking to the people that do the job, but talking to a border agent the other night I gave him that figure and asked him how many he thought they caught of the number actually coming over. If you'd ever talked to a border agent you'd know that they really don't like to say much about their job, especially when other agents are around. Anyway, this guy said maye 1 in 15 or 20
..... and then laughed a little.

[duffyb]

Sound like he should be fired.